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Alanna Rivera's avatar

I think this is a really thoughtful discussion and I’m glad everyone is contributing interesting view points. However, I think that speaking about AI art the way we would talk about Photoshop or Illustrator is a mistake. This is not just a tool fueled by Stock photos that were purchased/licensed, or an algorithm that creates interesting digital brushes. The only way that AI art can exist is by stealing a vast amount of work from other artists, the majority without their consent, and training the algorithm based on the stolen artwork to create more artwork. It’s a much bigger problem and conversation than, is copying a style plagiarism? Because the AI art CANNOT exist without the artwork that was stolen. That’s why I think it’s a more serious conversation than, what a fun new tool? How can we use it ethically? Because its formation and existence is unethical.

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Murat's avatar

3 points to add which are often missed:

1. It is not a tool. It's a service. The corporations control access and possible content creation. No pencil watches what you draw. Midjourney has a list of forbidden keywords. Which ones? It won't tell you. People who call themselves prompt engineers pay for being employees helping to refine the models.

2. The LLMs are a byproduct of a larger goal which will in the end help to make totalitarian visions become a reality. Along the way, it disrupts markets with potentially billions of people, washing the accumulated money into the hands of a few owners who possibly had the training phase of their models funded publicly. We pay the autocrats in order to help hollow out democracy.

3. Artists and activists are fighting back on the same battleground. Technology like Glaze for visual artists actively attack LLMs at their core. Benn Jordan allegedly is helping to do the same for music, right now. That, in the end, is our only hope (Obi Wan Kenobi), as legislation is too slow, public discourse intentionally made toxic and courts busy trying to understand what is going on.

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